Kevin Pacey wrote on Fri, Mar 9, 2018 01:27 AM UTC:
Below is a possible variant idea setup I'm now looking at, in quest of a (IMHO) better (i.e. viable) setup for my Wide Nightrider Chess variant idea. Castling rules would still be as in Wide Chess, while pawn rules would now be as in Omega Chess, for this 12x10 board (has the drawback, if it is one, that WAD+K cannot always force mate vs. lone K on a 12x10 board [edit: H.G. wrote that mate can still be forced here, in a later post in this thread]):
I'd tentatively estimate the piece values for this 12x10 variant idea as P=1; N=2.83(or 2.75 approx.); WAD=3.48(or 3.5 approx.); B=3.75; R=5.5; NN=Nx2(on this very large board size)=5.66(or 5.75 approx.); Q=R+B+P=10.25; K's fighting value=2.1 approx.
Below is a possible variant idea setup I'm now looking at, in quest of a (IMHO) better setup for my WAD Chess variant idea. Castling rules would still be as in Capablanca Chess, while pawns rules would now be as in Omega Chess (which has a slightly different setup, that is for the 10x10 portion of its setup), for this 10x10 board (note that Dr. Muller has informed us that on a 10x10 board, WAD+K can always force mate vs. lone K). I thought about using nightriders instead of WADs in this 10x10 setup (or another), with pawns being on the 2nd rank of each side, but the idea seemed less viable, moreso perhaps with orthodox Capablanca Chess castling rules being used [edit: this 10x10 WAD Chess variant idea seems inadequate to me too; the WADs seem awkward to place no matter what the setup, with them and the FIDE armies, and in any case it may well be reminiscent of Capa's rejected 10x10 version of his Capablanca Chess in that games may be long on average, not to mention it may be seen as a pale version of Omega Chess] :
I'd tentatively estimate the piece values for this 10x10 variant idea as P=1; N=3; B=3.5; WAD=3.78(or 3.75 approx.); R=5.5; Q=R+B+P=10; K's fighting value=2.5 approx.
A slight disappointment I currently have with both these setups is that now neither variant idea would have a 50% pieces to empty cells ratio in the setup, but this may be a small price to pay if these setups are otherwise viable.
[edit: diagram for 12x10 Wide Nightrider Chess with FNs instead of Ns (I'd estimate here a FN=4.4{or 4.5 approx.}) - I think I may definitely prefer this idea after all, as a WAD is slightly closer to a FN in near-exact value than a N is to a B, on 12x10, and for this size board IMHO a B is worth at least a NF before the endgame phase:]
[edit: Backup setup (don't really like this too much as Bs hit edge Ps in setup; switching Bs and FNs - for a second backup setup - also not liked, due to a Bs conflicting with opponent's same coloured B if one diagonal or the other is opened for a B - and it's a similar story for certain backup setup(s) for 10x10 WAD Chess idea [see further below]):
Diagram for 10x10 WAD Chess with FNs instead of Ns (I'd estimate here a FN=4.78[or 4.75 approx.]) - I think I may definitely not prefer this idea, as a N is considerably closer in value to a WAD than a B is to a FN, on 10x10:
Champion:
Nightrider:
Ferz-Knight:
[edit: alfaerie-many diagram for 12x10 Wide Nightrider Chess (with FN's):]
Below is a possible variant idea setup I'm now looking at, in quest of a (IMHO) better (i.e. viable) setup for my Wide Nightrider Chess variant idea. Castling rules would still be as in Wide Chess, while pawn rules would now be as in Omega Chess, for this 12x10 board (has the drawback, if it is one, that WAD+K cannot always force mate vs. lone K on a 12x10 board [edit: H.G. wrote that mate can still be forced here, in a later post in this thread]):
I'd tentatively estimate the piece values for this 12x10 variant idea as P=1; N=2.83(or 2.75 approx.); WAD=3.48(or 3.5 approx.); B=3.75; R=5.5; NN=Nx2(on this very large board size)=5.66(or 5.75 approx.); Q=R+B+P=10.25; K's fighting value=2.1 approx.
Below is a possible variant idea setup I'm now looking at, in quest of a (IMHO) better setup for my WAD Chess variant idea. Castling rules would still be as in Capablanca Chess, while pawns rules would now be as in Omega Chess (which has a slightly different setup, that is for the 10x10 portion of its setup), for this 10x10 board (note that Dr. Muller has informed us that on a 10x10 board, WAD+K can always force mate vs. lone K). I thought about using nightriders instead of WADs in this 10x10 setup (or another), with pawns being on the 2nd rank of each side, but the idea seemed less viable, moreso perhaps with orthodox Capablanca Chess castling rules being used [edit: this 10x10 WAD Chess variant idea seems inadequate to me too; the WADs seem awkward to place no matter what the setup, with them and the FIDE armies, and in any case it may well be reminiscent of Capa's rejected 10x10 version of his Capablanca Chess in that games may be long on average, not to mention it may be seen as a pale version of Omega Chess] :
I'd tentatively estimate the piece values for this 10x10 variant idea as P=1; N=3; B=3.5; WAD=3.78(or 3.75 approx.); R=5.5; Q=R+B+P=10; K's fighting value=2.5 approx.
A slight disappointment I currently have with both these setups is that now neither variant idea would have a 50% pieces to empty cells ratio in the setup, but this may be a small price to pay if these setups are otherwise viable.
[edit: diagram for 12x10 Wide Nightrider Chess with FNs instead of Ns (I'd estimate here a FN=4.4{or 4.5 approx.}) - I think I may definitely prefer this idea after all, as a WAD is slightly closer to a FN in near-exact value than a N is to a B, on 12x10, and for this size board IMHO a B is worth at least a NF before the endgame phase:]
[edit: Backup setup (don't really like this too much as Bs hit edge Ps in setup; switching Bs and FNs - for a second backup setup - also not liked, due to a Bs conflicting with opponent's same coloured B if one diagonal or the other is opened for a B - and it's a similar story for certain backup setup(s) for 10x10 WAD Chess idea [see further below]):
Diagram for 10x10 WAD Chess with FNs instead of Ns (I'd estimate here a FN=4.78[or 4.75 approx.]) - I think I may definitely not prefer this idea, as a N is considerably closer in value to a WAD than a B is to a FN, on 10x10:
Champion:
Nightrider:
Ferz-Knight:
[edit: alfaerie-many diagram for 12x10 Wide Nightrider Chess (with FN's):]
alfaerie-many Champion:
alfaerie-many Nightrider:
alfaerie-many Ferz-Knight: