Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To Joe Joyce wrote on Thu, Jul 26, 2007 04:02 AM UTC:Gentlemen, thank you for the interest you've shown in this question. I have attempted to calculate piece values by several means, and I'm not sure that any are accurate, nor that I applied the methods right, not being any sort of mathematician. The first method I tried was one by John K Lewis, at the Yahoo CV site, that gave me values of 6 for an Oliphant, 7 for a Lightning warmachine, 10 for a High priestess, 11 for a Minister, and 14 for a Jumping general. This is on an 8x8 FIDE board, with all 32 black and white pawns and pieces still on the board some 10-15 or so moves into a game. I next got values of 8-9 for the High priestess and Minister using Reinhard's method. Or as close as I could come to it. Numbers are on the CV wiki. Also did some serious thinking about the 2-step pieces I've used and the way they've moved. Did some comparison numbers in 'Attack Fraction', again on the wiki, that are very suggestive, but only qualitatively. Got info from David Paulowich that gives numbers for some of my pieces, the bent Hero and Shaman, in his game Opulent Lemurian Shatranj, that pegged the shaman to the rook's value of 5.5 on a 10x10, and the hero's value at 7.5. David is generally quite good at giving values - the times I've disagreed with him, I've found him to be right. These numbers don't match up with any of the other numbers. I am not sure the value of leaping, not to mention double-step pieces or leaping twice with a possible direction change, is properly handled by current theory. This is not a knock on past and current theoreticians, who seem to agree fairly well among themselves on the values of the standard FIDE pieces and the common non-standard pieces. But these pieces fall into 1 class, that of unlimited sliders, and one remnant shortrange leaper. Short and medium-range leapers are a category, and multi-jumpers are another, related category barely touched by consideration of the nightrider. This doesn't even touch on Mats Winther's collection of pieces. I believe we need a wider theory. Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Shatranj Values does not match any item.