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Modern drunk elephant shogi. Missing description (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Jun 17, 2010 09:00 PM UTC:
This looks like it may be a good game. I assume that a captured Crown Prince demotes back to a Drunk Elephant. Is that correct?

💡📝Daniil Frolov wrote on Fri, Jun 18, 2010 07:22 AM UTC:
Yes, it demotes as all other pieces.

Yu Ren Dong wrote on Sun, Jul 11, 2010 11:16 AM UTC:
http://tamago915.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2006/11/post_048f.html

In 1707, a Shogi book recorded one shogi variant: modern shogi with Drunk
Elephant.

http://tamago915.cocolog-nifty.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/3_1.png

The piece in 9vii is promted Drunk Elephant:Crown Prince.

http://tamago915.cocolog-nifty.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/4.png

Crown Prince in 1i was checkmated.



http://park6.wakwak.com/~k-oohasi/shougi/koumoku/koumoku01.html

More information. Please see the bottom-right corner of picture on abovemented page.

💡📝Daniil Frolov wrote on Sun, Jul 11, 2010 01:50 PM UTC:
Thanks. I anticipated that similar game might already exist. By the way, wich rules differs from my version?

Yu Ren Dong wrote on Sun, Jul 11, 2010 06:02 PM UTC:
You are welcome.

The detailed rules are still unknown.

(zzo38) A. Black wrote on Fri, Feb 11, 2011 07:10 PM UTC:
I have idea of variant of variant: That a captured king (but not crown prince) is removed from game entirely.

H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Jun 13 08:47 PM UTC:Poor ★

The Drunk Elephant was removed at the advent of drops for a reason. When royals in Shogi reach the promotion zone it becomes practically impossible to checkmate them: they can be easily defended by surrounding them with Tokins, which are easily obtained by dropping Pawns around them and moving those once. The Tokins will protect each other, and form an unbreakable wall, which only gives you Pawns in hand  when you try to sacrifice your way through it. And Shogi pieces are quite weak when they have to attack backwards to begin with; the cheapest pieces (Lance and Knight) would likely not be able to attack the castle in the promotion zone at all.

With a Drunk Elephant you can quite easily promote it by dropping it in the promotion zone, and if both players do that the game is an almost certain draw. That you can allow your King to be captured once you have a Prince in the zone, and then drop that in the zone too makes the game totally unwinnable.


Aurelian Florea wrote on Sat, Jun 14 06:58 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from Fri Jun 13 08:47 PM:

I think it is fine if the promoted drunk elephant is not royal! But I don't think it does any good to the game, though. It doesn't do much bad either, but I don't like the idea of crowding the board, without any reasons.


H. G. Muller wrote on Sat, Jun 14 07:02 AM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 06:58 AM:

I think it is fine if the promoted drunk elephant is not royal!

Indeed, then it would just be another piece, not very different in use from a Gold General. (In normal play it is mostly the forward power of a piece that counts.) But in the presented variant it is explicitly mentioned that the Crown Prince is royal. And that is pretty much a fatal flaw.


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