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Man and Beast 11: Long-nosed Generals. Systematic naming of part-symmetric pieces with non-coprime components.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]

Anonymous wrote on Wed, Jan 25, 2012 01:35 PM EST:

Charles, do you remember what your old names for the now renamed Rosette pieces are along with the prefixes and suffixes you gave them to when you modify their moves? Mostly you just put them in your notes or in a comment of some sort but I don't see them anywhere and I am just curious on what they're called.

💡📝Charles Gilman wrote on Sat, Jan 28, 2012 02:25 AM EST:

The pieces remnamed are as follows. The unprefixed ones have now gone back to Man and Beast 06. The reform was initiated in this discussion.

components

Trebuchet

Trechick

Bishop

Brogop

Silvervestment (was Silvermaypole)

Mitre

Goldvestment (was Goldmaypole)

Vestment (was Maypole)

Ferz

Frog

Silvertrechick

Cross

Goldtrebuchet

Frock (was Tadpole)

Dabbaba

Toad (was Treader)

Dabbatrotter

Dabchick

Trebutantra

Toke (was Trekker)

Elephant

Newt (was Rosette)

Silvernuke (was SilverRosebud)

Tusk

Goldnuke (was Goldrosebud)

Nuke (was Rosebud)

The pieces that I previously suggesting naming Macette, Bezette, Rigette, and so on have been dropped altogether. The Macette might come back as another name in conjunction with renaming the Tribune and Trifle as pieces with et Bishop binding formed of compononents with weaker bindings. The Dogrose, Primrose, Rockrose, Rosebed, Rosebush, Rosebower, and Rosebowl - and similarly prefixed and sufixed Macels, Bezras, wet cetera - have gone the same way. Ambrose, Ambmacel, et cetera have now been dropped twice, with the pieces for which I suggested the name first time renamed and those second time dropped.

Tom R. Becker wrote on Sat, Jan 28, 2012 11:22 AM EST:

Yes, but how do the Dogrose, Primrose, and such move? Maybe you can use new names for them while you're at it.

💡📝Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 01:56 AM EST:

'Yes, but how do the Dogrose, Primrose, and such move? Maybe you can use new names for them while you're at it.'
Right, I'm with you now. They were pieces extending one or more component of the Rosette (in the prefixed cases) or Rosebud (in the suffixed ones). Elephrider+Trebuchet is now Newtbante and Treburider+Elephant Newttrante. This approach has the advantage that it can be applied to pieces that were never anything -ette or -ebud. Thus Dabbarider+Tripper=Tribubante and Triprider+Dabbaba Tributrante.

Tom R. Becker wrote on Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:03 PM EST:

OK that somehow helps me but I need more specifics on how the rose pieces move like 'this piece can move either like this piece or that piece'. It's ok if you don't remember. I am still curious and want you to maybe give names foe even more pieces.

💡📝Charles Gilman wrote on Wed, Feb 1, 2012 01:45 AM EST:

'OK that somehow helps me but I need more specifics on how the rose pieces move like 'this piece can move either like this piece or that piece'. It's ok if you don't remember. I am still curious and want you to maybe give names foe even more pieces.'
	Well unprefixed ones that have survived under new names are listed in the notes on Man and Beast 06. To be honest the only reason why I record changes is in case anyone has already remembered the pieces under the old names and is thinking of using them in a variant. As far as I can see only one has been used in variants, and those my own, and I have substituted the replacement name throughout. Why someone who does not know how a piece moves wants to know a discontinued name for it is beyond me, unless you want to reuse the old name for a piece of your own invention and check that you're not duplicating the renamed one.

Tom R. Becker wrote on Wed, Feb 1, 2012 11:09 AM EST:

Ok I see where you're going. Maybe you can think about using the old rose names for extensions of the circular knight piece just like you did for the original rose and leave the formerly named rosette pieces for your 'amphibian' pieces you are working on. Sorry I tried to get on your nerves.