Comments by catugo
I'd like to conclude this discussion with the hope that grandmaster level chess will eventually evolve to include variants like Grand Chess and Omega Chess or why not for the really weird ones my 2 apothecary variants I proposed during this discussion.
This post is in anticipation of two new (in 2016) variants.
The central discussion is about the values of the pieces involved in the two variants.
The main interest are the aanca and griffin from apothecary 1. Apothecary 2 has mainly known pieces with some enhacements.
These are one of the initial positions allowed in apothecary 1 (top) and apothecary 2 (bottom). In both games switching knights and bishops in the initial position allows for a second initial setup.
Pieces for apothecary 1:
Pawn - is the classic chess pawn with the catch that it promotes from the 8th rank to a minor piece, from the 9th rank to also a rook, and to the 10th rank where promotion is obligatory it promotes to also a strong piece (Queen, Griffin or AAnca).
Queen-classic chess queen
Aanca- bend rider that starts as an wazir and then if not blocked may move as a bishop
Griffin- bend rider that starts as an ferz and then if not blocked may move as a rook
Wizard- taken from omega chess C+F
kNight- classic chess knight with a zebra just move enhancement
Champion- taken from omega chess W+D+A
Rook - classic chess rook
Pieces for apothecary 2:
Pawn - is the classic chess pawn with the catch that it promotes from the 8th rank to a minor piece, from the 9th rank to also a rook, and to the 10th rank where promotion is obligatory it promotes to also a strong piece (Queen, Marshall or Archbishop).
Queen-classic chess queen
Marshall- rook and knight compound
Archbishop- bishop and knight compound
Zebra - classic variants (3,2) zebra with ferz just move enhancement
cameL-classic variants (3,1) camel with wazir uncolorbounding just move enhancement
kNight- classic chess knight with a threeper just move enhancement
Elephant- modern elepahnt taken from modern shatranj with a threeleaper just move enhacement so FAmH in Betza funny notation
Rook - classic chess rook
For now I'm doing the following experiment in order to find out how strong a pawn is:
delete a3 pawn in bishops in setup for 25 games
delete a3 pawn in knights in setup for 25 games
delete a8 pawn in bishops in setup for 25 games
delete a8 pawn in knights in setup for 25 games
delete b3 pawn in bishops in setup for 25 games
delete b3 pawn in knights in setup for 25 games
delete b8 pawn in bishops in setup for 25 games
delete b8 pawn in knights in setup for 25 games
and so on for each pawn.
I'll keep in touch with the results.
The program of testing is Fairy-Max 5.0b2. The games are played at 2mins/30 moves. Fairy-Max 5.0b2 cannot implement the promotion rule so the promotion rule is promote to rook starting in the 8th rank.
The time troble thing was more a nuissance than a problem as winboard doesn't take it into consideration, but I considered that it is good that you know. I hope I managed to help you H.G. Thanksm and see you soon!
I have not considered the noise effect, you are correct I'll redo experiments from scratch, this time automated.
In order to clone FairyMax is it sufficient to just copy the .exe to say fm2.exe or is there something else?
It seems yes, there you go I answered my own question!
I assume that the pieceToChar used in apothecary2.ini should be the one used in fmax.ini under the apothecary2 game.
Ok, I've done almost everything, I don't understand how to run with apothecary.ini set.
Also as now a pawn worth 60 and a queen worth 571 I might benefit from lowering the resign threshold from 800 to say 400 (a rook and a bit).
I guess I should not have in the winboard.ini file both /variant=apothecary and /variant=eleven
Ok, now I get the error, bad fen position in file, and the position in start.fen is ok!
Which apothecary game were you running, and how did it seemed to you if you had the time to watch some?
Now I can start the tournament but without proper setups.
No problems with the fen or the piecetochar table, I stil get the same message.
Even if I manually plot the good position, the tournament handler, makes it wrong and then it starts- wrongly.
H.G.
I'm not sure how things are at your end but I've just seen a time loss, but now it's rare it was the first in rougly 30 games, It's playing at 2mins/30moves.
Any ideeas to help me set up automatic tournaments? Should I send you somehow what I have for you to check?
Ok, the time thing happend twice in 22 games, BAdddd! I think my computer is stupider because it's slower, so what exactly should I do?
Once again the time lost 3/24, That's really bad, Of course I can just ignore those results as I still do things manually!
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H.G.,
It seems that there are enough draws by the 50 move rule in situations were more can be done.
The last example was in apothecary 2 a endgame KB vs KRE where maybe black should have win. I now is a close one but what do you think about it? In a previous game the same situation but with a pawn for the advantaged side and FM still hasn't managed to win. It was a C pawn.
Am I observing something natural?