Comments by catugo
On second thought, giving my previous comment, I think is better to place the boat and archer on b and i files or reversed and the archbishop and marshall on c and f files as weaker pieces should be easier to develop :)!
Thanks for the information, and I regret your concept has not got through :(!
I would assume that the higher rook value is do too considerring an weaker pawn as baseline. Also consider that the chinesse king is even easier to checkmate by rook and by cannon.

@HG & @V. Reinhardt
HG, You did tell me once (about a year ago) that the foul/joker/jester/imitator can't be represented, also Fairy-Max can't do it either (the reason I did not continue using Fairy-Max to continue developing my apothecary games). So I guess there are limitations.
@HG, I did not knew that, I'll maybe reconsider :)!
HG, I have searched for like 5 minutes the discussion you mentioned and failed, but if the need occurs I know where to find you. Moreover I remember now better, it was not the joker, not initially at least but my weird promotion rule, as fairy max, at least at that time could not neatly make different promotion zones. Thanks anyway it help a lot in measuring piece values though, although I'm left wondering besides the obvious problem of the value of the joker, how the introduction of joker influences the value of ohter pieces. Stronger pieces are weakened by the presence of the joker as they give chaces for an powerfull attack to an inherently weaker piece :). Have a good one!
The gamma chess 2 idea has crossed my mind, too :)!
Hey Greg, how is the tournament going, my round 2 games are long gone, I'm just curious about what else goes on :)!

@V.
Funny 2500s joke, I was hopping for my apothecaries to go into the 2300 (as they are smaller). Maybe mister Spock can challenge captain Kirk to one of the apothecaries chess :)!
HG
Why is board size affecting KBB vs KN. It seems weird to me :)!
So you have a retrograde analisys program for variants, neat, but thing of course goes up exponentially. But you would probably find out if in apothecary chess 1 KA vs K aanca is a checkmate, or vs K griffin. I believe for apothecary chess 2 you have also verified via grand chess the major piece combinations :)! I doubt the queen can "beat" any of the four such strong piece. Thanks for the info. GL.
By the way I have started an Elven chess game today, sounds good :)!

Thank you Fergus, I was wondering what went on :)!

Where can it be found? I could enjoy it, too no idea that people on this website like star trek but in retrsopective it seems likely :)!

First I'd like to ask if one can insure different armies for the game, meaning banning mirror matches or at least FF-FF, if I remember correctly those are banned by the oficial rules :)!
@Fergus
Thanks, for the work, and for the advice :)!

I understand that by now there are 3 oficial decks, is there anyway besides actually buying the game to find out what the decks contain. If I'm violating any law please tell me and don't do that yourself, but otherwise, I just want to know what those rules say :)!

In this game to me KNB vs K doesn't seem a forced mate anymore, but I have not checked yet, does anyone know better? Anyway if not so, many other like usaual close wins may not be. Point being the game is more drawish, maybe a rules may be made that you cannot refuse a checkmating move, or something on those lines. I doubt that is in the spirit of the game though :(!
Yes, you pointed out many problems, but I think this game brings an interesting concept, espeacially for middle game (in the opening there are usual many sensible options). I also believe that the larger the board and army size the cocept gains in complexity as there are more moves to choose from. Anyway something has to be done about the endgame. If all balanced games end up in draws what's the point?

I think the definition of the two new pieces is rather ambiguous as the are described virtually as knight-wazir and knight-ferz but it is also said in both cases that they cover 16 squares which would be wrong, the above mentioned cover only 12 square. If knight-wazir and knight-ferz it is mostly known that they worth around 4.5 each. Not the values plunged into the article. But who knows my understanding maybe off. Has anyone understood it better?
The aproach in value between rook on one side and knight and bishop on the other is what I find appealing in this game :)!

I'm not sure if it is the actual game but as someone who tried a bit chess programming I can say it is doable, it is just a matter of optimizing the 2nd move rather than the first. The main problem is that we should, as a community come up with better rules, I myself will soon start (I hope) other things, in my apothecary chess series. So I can't actually study this bit but the idea seems promising. My belief is that it needs polishing. V. if you'd like you may post a challenge and we should try together (actually I prefer 2 as I find this game promising). All that if there is a game courier version.
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The idea has merit. What I like mostly is that both both and archer are major pieces :)! I'm totally unsure abut the piece values. Anyway what is sure is the the widening of the board makes the knight value bishop value ration smaller. The main purpose of hoppers is to exchange them for stronger pieces sonner rathen than later when they run out of targets to capture or al least harass. Although gaining an ease of developement the boat has only once such targe in your view, the queen :)! For that my proposal would be to keep in this capablanca-esc setup the archbishop and marshall on I and B files and move the knights on d2 and e2. That for ease of developement. Knights first routine :)! Then add four pawns on c3,d3,e3,f3. Of course black is mirrored. That would give the hopper compounds more targets to at least harass. The piece desity would be a bit larger than ortodox chess at 11/20 but it's not that bad as hoppers are aided by that and anyway the two extra pieces are pawns. 3rd files pawns don't get double step. Anywat Good luck with your designing, I hope this is usefull :)!