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Rhino. A set of pieces which combine the movements of the Mao with that of the Wazir.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Mon, Sep 5, 2011 09:43 AM EDT:
I suggest that you take a chess board, two kings and some piece representing the rhino (a knight works well for me) and try it out.

I must admit, that I didn't analyse the specific position nnz gave here, the placement of the supporting King is a bit awkward here. Both of your proposals to repair the situation work out fine.

For similar pieces: A gnu and a king can drive the king to the edge, but cannot give mate; the same holds for the quintessence (of quintessential chess).

Necromancer Chess. The Undead Walk. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Sep 9, 2011 06:11 AM EDT:
A maybe funny question:

What happens to a pawn when it is converted into an undead piece? Say, a white undead bishop attacks a black pawn: Does the black pawn turn into an undead white pawn or does it turn into an undead black pawn under white's control? The difference between the two is the inherited directionality: By becoming an undead white pawn the black pawn turns 180 degrees and marches against his old camp; while an undead black pawn under white's control continues to march against the white camp (and may block white pawns in their progress).

Another question: 

Can an undead piece attack a life piece of its own camp? Because this action may strengthen the piece by taking its life it might be a favourable move.

Chess with Different Armies. Betza's classic variant where white and black play with different sets of pieces. (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Thu, Sep 29, 2011 01:02 PM EDT:
Well, I have to disagree with the previous comment from George Duke: In fact, the rule that a pawn can promote to *any* piece in the starting setup including the opponents' pieces is essential. Otherwise, the Colorbound Clobberers with their light queen (being the Knight-Bishop compound) fall back against the other armies. Even small differences in the value of the pawns are multiplied by the fact that there are 8 of them. Giving the pawns different promotions enters the land of---slightly, but feelable---different pawns.

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Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Dec 2, 2011 02:48 AM EST:
Patzer has definitely german relations, there is the verb 'verpatzen' in
german, meaning to crab, to mull, to fluff, to foozle, to snafu. I don't
know its further etymology, it is quite possible that it is either yiddish
oder rotwelsch.

Jörg Knappen wrote on Sat, Dec 3, 2011 01:28 PM EST:
Now I found the time to look up patzen/Patzer in an etymological
dictionary. It is a german word;
deriving from the common german wird 'Batzen' (lump, chunk, glob; also a
historic small coin minted in Switzerland) and showing Bavarian or Austrian
spelling (B->P). Batzen is derived from 'Backen' (to bake).

Jörg Knappen wrote on Mon, Dec 5, 2011 03:54 AM EST:
I looked up patsy in the OED, it is attested in 1889, postdating the german
use of Patzer. 

I assosciate the word Patzer to the Viennese coffee house chess culture,
where chess master earned money playing against Patzers. It is the age of
Steinitz (one generation before Einstein and Lasker) or even ealier.

Jörg Knappen wrote on Mon, Dec 5, 2011 10:26 AM EST:
Ah, and than there is another german word, related but not too close,
'patzig' meaning stroppy, snotty, bolshie. It describes the typical mood
of teenagers very well.

Concise Guide to Chess Variants. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:22 AM EST:Excellent ★★★★★
David, that's a aice X-mas present for all of us!

There is one minor poiint I want to correct (it is not your fault; already Jeliss has this particular sentence wrong):

>null piece (Exotic): n. Piece that, combined with any other piece leaves it unaltered = Dummy = (0,0) leaper. Not the same as zero. Link(s): All the King's Men. [index] Source(s): [ATKM] Unique ID: [CVT-10825]

A dummy is a piece without any move; as a leaper it is an \emptyset-leaper, not a (0,0)-leaper. A (0,0)-leaper has one move to its starting square, essentially the piece-bound licence to pass a move.

This is always confounding to see that zero is something different from the emptyset.

Man and Beast 02: Shield Bearers. Systematic naming of divergent coprime radial pieces.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Wed, Dec 28, 2011 05:37 AM EST:
The only measure to get solid information about the strength of a certain piece is to playtest it (in human play and/or computer play). As far as I know, there are few divergent pieces really tested.

Mike Nelson's Seperate Realms Rook comes out on a value of about 75% Rook plus 25% Dabbabarider, suggesting that capture constitues about 3/4 of the piece value, while moving alone constitutes about 25%. But this particular piece has rather similar move and capture patterns; the more the patterns diverge, the more playtesting is needed, and there is probably no simple formula describing the results.

Note also that the results of playtesting depend on the testbed: What board is choosen, what is the oppenent's army, what pieces are in the same army (sociability effects).

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Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Dec 30, 2011 09:26 AM EST:
Some time ago, either in a published CV or in a discussion a new piece type
called 'area mover' or 'areal mover' was proposed here. It was kind of
a lame hook mover (known from large Shogi variants): It only could perform
a hook move when the whole area (defined as the rightangle spanned by the
two orthogonal rook moves) was free of intervening pieces.

I tried to google the reference, but it wasn't indexed.

Can someone remember the reference to this kind of piece?

Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:54 AM EST:
Thanks, George

Dragonchess (R). Commercial large chess variant. (16x10, Cells: 124) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Mon, Jan 2, 2012 07:29 AM EST:
The wording on the game maker's website is not very clear, but I interpret this dragon as a simple Q3 (a queen restricted to 3 steps in either direction). Nothing fancy here, no jumps.

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Jörg Knappen wrote on Mon, Jan 2, 2012 10:35 AM EST:
I have an answer to your 2nd question:

The R3 is named Kongo (Guardian of Gods) in Taikyoku Shogi.

There's also a B3, named Rikishi (Wrestler) in Taikyoku Shogi.

Note that the Taikyoku Shogi pieces move differently then pieces with the
same name in other larger Shogi variants.

Martian Chess. Two or four player strategic game with chess elements played with Looney piramids. (4x8, Cells: 32) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Tue, Jan 3, 2012 03:36 AM EST:Excellent ★★★★★
This is a fine leightweight strategical game for fun.

Chaturanga. The first known variant of chess. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Wed, Jan 4, 2012 04:14 AM EST:
I have seen speculations (sorry, I don't have sources ready) about a precursor of the pawn: A forward moving piece using custodian capture (as in Tablut). It may be related to the game Petteia played in ancinet greece (the rules of that game are unfortunately lost). This explains the divergent nature of move and capture of the Shatranj pawn.

Concise Guide to Chess Variants. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Thu, Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST:
Here's a first pack of additions, all from the following new source:


George Jelliss: Theory of Moves, Knight's Tour Notes 2001,
http://www.ktn.freeuk.com/9a.htm

Notes are mine and introduced by the tag Note:

Piece Names

caliph  - compound leaper (0,1)+(2,2)
          Note: This is different from Charles Gilman's caliph
          Note: synonyms are waffle (CwdA) and phoenix (large Shogi variants)

diamond - compound leaper (1,1)+(0,2)
          Note: synonyms for this piece are duke and kylin

emperor - compound leaper (0,1)+(1,2)
          Note: a synonym is marquis (Derzhanski's list drawing from Adrian  King)

ferfil - compound leaper (1,1)+(2,2)
         Note: most established synonym on the CVP is 'modern elephant'

frog - compound leaper (1,1)+(0,3). The simplest amphibian.

hospitaler - compound leaper (1,2)+(2,2)

prince - compound leaper (1,1)+(1,2)

pterodactyl - compound leaper (3,3)+(5,5)+(0,15). The simplest triple range amphibian
    Note: I love this piece *because* it is so 'over the top'

templar - compound leaper (0,2)+(1,2)

wazaba - compound leaper (0,1)+(0,2)
         Note: synonym woody rook (CwdA)

Piece terms

amphibian - A compound leaper who can reach any square on the chess board whose components aren't free leapers 

free leaper - A leaper that can reach any square on a given board. On the standard 8x8 board there are 5 free leapers: wazir, knight, giraffe, zebra, and antelope.

Jörg Knappen wrote on Thu, Jan 5, 2012 01:10 PM EST:
Here are a few additions sourced from:

Hans Gruber: Märchenschachlexikon, Schwalbe - Deutsche Vereinigung für Problemschach, zuletzt aktualisiert am 26.08.2011,
http://www.dieschwalbe.de/lexikon.htm

The source contains tons of information on fairy problem conditions and some pieces. Most of them are outside the scope of the Concise Guide to Chess Variants, but I propose the following additions:

Piece names

ibis - elemental piece, (1,5)-leaper

lancer - elemental piece, (2,4)-leaper
    Note: This piece has a different german name, Hase (engl. hare)

okapi - compound leaper (1,2)+(2,3)


Note. If the charset is mangled, then: ä ist ae (a-umlaut) and ü ist ue (u-umlaut)

Jörg Knappen wrote on Thu, Jan 5, 2012 01:34 PM EST:
A few miscellaneous entries from the Chess Variant Pages


Piece names

capricorn - a hook mover moving on diagonal lines. Occurs in several large shogi variants

hook mover - a hook mover on horizontal and vertical lines. Occurs in several large shogi variants

querquisite - a piece that has the moves of the piece on its current file in the FIDE starting position. Synonym: oddyseus
(see A. Sibahi: Querquisite Chess, http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSquerquisiteche )

Piece terms

divergent piece - A piece with different capturing and non-capturing moves. Synonym: Sniper
  Source: A. J. Winkelspecht: Divergent Chess http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/contest/divergentchess.html

hook mover - a piece that can optionally turn 90 degrees and move on. It can capture on its final square only. From large shogi variants.

igui capture - restricted rifle capture of lion movers, capture on a adjacent square without moving

lion mover - a piece that can do two moves in one turn, including the possibilities to capture two pieces in one turn, to pass the turn, or to capture one piece and then return to its starting square. Lion movement can be unrestricted (as in the lion of Chu Shogi) or restricted to certain directions (as in the soaring eagle or the horned falcon of Chu Shogi)

planar piece - a kind of lame hook mover, a piece that can optionally turn 90 degrees and move on as long as the rectangle spanned by the two legs of its move is free from any other piece, friend or foo. It can capture only on its destination square.
    source: Gavin Smith: Prince http://www.chessvariants.org/3d.dir/prince.html

Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Jan 6, 2012 02:39 AM EST:
Sigh, link rot hits again. Fortunately, I have printed the Theory of Moves when it was available on the net.

Christine, you found another nice reference, and I immediately love the names toad and newt for the other simple amphibians!

Jörg Knappen wrote on Fri, Jan 6, 2012 02:52 AM EST:
This is a suggestion to David:

Add all contest winning games to the Game section.

This gives a nice overview of the activity of the CVP community over a decade.

Jörg Knappen wrote on Sat, Jan 7, 2012 05:27 PM EST:
Hi Charles,

I skimmed through my sources again and could not locate a reference to 'gazelle' as a synonym for the okapi (Knight-Zebra-compound). Where did you get it from?

I share your feelings with respect to the name 'prince': it is quite unspecific and used for a whole bunch of pieces, most notably the commoner. The aim of my comment was to give a summary of this important source.  Note that Jelliss gives prince for Knight+Ferz (not Knight+Wazir) following the male/female logic from the King/Queen pair. And problemists call the Janus/Palladin piece princess.

The name hospital(l)er is  worth mentioning for the knight-alfil compound, kangaroo as a synonym ist certainly worth mentioning, too. Outback Chess was a contest winning variant, at least.

Going through my sources I found a synonym for the newt: it is called counsellor in Quang Trung Chess and this name propagated in Töws' piece creation system and in Ivan Derzhanski's list.

Piececlopedia: Querquisite. A piece whose move changes depending on the file on which it starts its move.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
📝Jörg Knappen wrote on Sat, Jan 7, 2012 05:34 PM EST:
The lore apprentice (Zauberlehrling) of Lines of Relay is an offshot of the querquisite, I conceived it by misunderstanding its moves. See

http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSlinesofrelay%28l

Concise Guide to Chess Variants. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Sun, Jan 8, 2012 06:26 AM EST:
I am aware of the name Okapi for about a decade when I found it in several problem databases on fairy chess problems. However, a search here

http://www.softdecc.com/pdb/search.pdb

(enter PIECE='Okapi' in the query form)

reveals some problems going back to 1970, Most Okapi problems are authored by Erich Bartels, but other prblemists joined the crew. If you have ever seen an okapi (I did, the Franfurt/Main zoo is a proud owner of the rare species), it is a particulary well choosen name for a horse-zebra vompound.

Digging through references on Gazelle, I found it only as a synonym for Camel (the (1,3).-leaper) in Turkish great chess V

http://www.chessvariants.com/large.dir/greatchessv.html

This is confirmed by George Duke here:

http://www.chessvariants.com/large.dir/falconpatent.html

and George know more chess variant literature than I can ever dream of.

The Ferz-Knight compound has the synonym priest - again a very unspecific name. It occurs in Töws' Generic chess piece creation system and Derzhanski's list.

I once aggressively tracked names for compound leapers and noted them on paper, it looks like a good idea to put them on the CVP pages some time.

Jörg Knappen wrote on Sun, Jan 8, 2012 06:31 AM EST:
This is kind of a fun question: What would be a good male version of a Banshee?

Ganymede Chess. A 12x12 variant inspired by Ralph Betza's Chess on a really big board, Centennial Chess and Adrian King's Typhoon (among others). (12x12, Cells: 144) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Tue, Jan 10, 2012 02:08 AM EST:
MArk Hedden's frog (WFH in Betza notation) is taken from Adrian Kings games (Sciroco, Jupiter, and Typhoon). To distinguish it from Jelliss' frog (FH in Betza notation) one could call it frog king (derived from crowned frog, crowned being a standard prefix for forming names for pieces moving as a commoner + something).

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